Oh no, I overdid it on these papers today. I'm in terrific pain of the right wrist. I think I ruptured my carpel. Ha. The technique finally worked for me after I watched Cheap Joe's videos. I only had a fourth of a bottle left from past failures, so glad that I didn't have more, I would still be on the back porch! Turns out I was using too old of National Geo's. I found the newer work better. I just thought it was me so had just about given up on this project. The best ones came from 2000 and later.